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Teens charged with shooting doe from a truck

by Will Dendis
December 09, 2010 12:43 PM | 11 11 comments | 13 13 recommendations | email to a friend | print
The doe was still alive at the time of his photo, 14 hours after the shooting.
The doe was still alive at the time of his photo, 14 hours after the shooting.
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Ralph Childers knew something fishy was going on. It was just after dusk, and a pickup truck was slowly moving past his home on Dave Elliot Road.

“I saw the brake lights first, then I saw the backup lights,” he said. “And that’s when I knew I had a problem.”

A DEC environmental conservation enforcement officer said later it was a .22. But it didn’t sound that way to Childers. “I’ve got a .30 caliber carbine and that’s a little closer to what this thing sounded like.”

At the time, all he knew was that somebody had just shot a gun from a truck parked a couple hundred feet from his house. He went out onto his porch and yelled at the driver, who beat a hasty retreat. Childers slipped his shoes on — there was no time to tie the laces — and jumped into his car. Just as he was getting up to speed, neighbor Scott Black flagged him down.

Turns out, Black had seen the whole thing from his driveway and confronted the offenders. They told him they shot the gun but weren’t trying to hit anything. A state police officer came out that night and took statements from Black and Childers. Luckily, Black had the presence of mind to get the plate number.

At first light, Childers went out to investigate. In the field across the street, about 100 yards from his home, he happened on a heartbreaking scene: a paralyzed doe with a hole in her neck, obviously suffering. Childers got the state police back out, and an officer put the animal out of its misery.

DEC conservation officer Claude Stephens immediately began the investigation that would the arrests of two local teenagers a few weeks later, on Dec. 3 and 4, according to DEC spokesperson Wendy Rosenbach.

Gregory Walbroehl, 17, was issued the following charges: loaded gun in a motor vehicle; failure to comply with an ECO [environmental conservation officer]; shooting from the road; illegal take of a doe deer; and hunting deer with rim fire ammunition. The total fine range for the charges is $600-$5,000.

Justin Setera, 16, was issued the following charges: failure to comply with an ECO and Illegal take of a doe deer. The total fine range for the charges is $250-$2,750.

DEC did not release addresses. Rosenbach said both teens were valid hunters.

Childers said the charges, if true, amounted to conduct unbecoming a sportsman. “Real hunters will track an animal that they’ve shot forever, in deep snow, so that it doesn’t walk away and suffer and die needlessly,” he said.

The incident is similar to one that occurred in almost the same area in 2007, when witnesses saw a doe shot from a truck. No arrests were made following that incident, but neighbors don’t believe that shooting was carried out by the same offenders. Childers, who lives on 50 acres, said illegal hunting is common in this rural area on the northern tip of Saugerties. He said hunters set up on either side of a U-shaped bend in the road near his home and drive game toward one another. “I have chased people off this land, in the past, many years ago, and almost got shot,” he said. “So I don’t cotton to these people very much.”
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anonymous
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December 20, 2010
and he did have a doe permit he just didnt get a chance to use it
anonymous
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December 20, 2010
i already did go and sit in that class that taught me nothing. And i am a hunter!
anonymous
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December 19, 2010
everyone needs to shut the f--- up theres kids selling drugs in school and at the age of 16 that do coke and smoke crack and your worrying about a deer getting shot. get a life and grow up theres alot worse going on out there. those hunter corses are s--- too they dont teach you anything i went there. its sad theres kids getting away with drinking while driving leaving partys to vandilize my home and drive through my yard yet they get away scoth free and here kids shoot a deer didnt hurt anyone just a useless deer and are going to be ridiculed for life about it
Gary coleman
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December 18, 2010
You people really dont have a life to spend all of your time commenting on the saugerties times website, besides jessica. So get a life losers.
Marlane Barbier
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December 16, 2010
To Jessica, I am a mother of teens . My son and daughters know better then to do this to a animal and to obey the law. There are laws in hunting for reasons. I did not wish bad karma on them . I just told them karma .. Big Differance. These young men knew they were doing wrong . It is a big deal . It is a shame and it seems there is no remorse for their actions. Anonymous ,you are ignorant too. Maybe you are not a hunter. Have you ever heard of DOE TAGS???? doesnt matter if there are millions of them . YOu need to tag them for a reason . Again I stand behind my feelings and still say SHAME ON YOU TWO AGAIN. Please Judge teach these young men a lesson .. Gun in the car?? loaded!!!

Maybe come and sit in on a Hunter safety class and learn about these laws . You all are welcome to come to any of our classes.
gregory walbroehl
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December 15, 2010
"thats not even the deer i shot"
JakeR
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December 15, 2010
No one wished anything upon them. These young men are not children. The coldheartedness that must exist within them is frightening. There should be heavy sanctions for their actions.
anonymous
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December 15, 2010
F--- you all besides jessica there are plenty of doe around its not like they are extinct.
Jessica Wiltsie
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December 13, 2010
Shame on you for wishing bad karma on 2 young boys. They're young they made a mistake. Everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure if you had a teenage boy who made a thoughtless mistake and someone wished bad things upon them you would be offended. Be unhappy about the choices they made but don't wish bad things on them.
I value life......
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December 09, 2010
How can we teach young people to be good sports and not kill defenseless animals in cold blood? from the road? from a truck?

Shame on them......
Marlane Barbier
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December 09, 2010
As a Hunter and a wife of a volanteer DEC Hunter Ed Teacher ..,, SHAME ON YOU BOTH !. You two need to be made to do community service and made a example of ( 20 hours a week for 5 years ,) . Fines are not enough. loss of hunting permits is NOT enough. You two took a class and I know were told this is a big NO... Thanks, for giving real hunters bad name..again """"SHAME ON YOU BOTH"""" Not even a good shot KARMA boys ....

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